New to Kratom, need advice.
Hey, new here and to Kratom.
Dealing with a prescription opioid addiction and I was told about this. I ordered from Kraken Kratom and got a strain called super indo, a powder.
I'm finding it hard to consume, making it into a tea seems to be the most bearable route. I've been taking 1tsp once a day out of fear of what I'm seeing online about this stuff (fear from a pill head, crazy right?) Just not sure if I'm taking enough as it's helping with physical withdrawal but I'm still craving heavy. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. TIA
@jay9 you should definitely get a scale that you can measure grams with. They are relatively cheap from amazon. Most people dose 1-4 grams per dose, you just need to find your "sweet spot".
When I first started taking kratom, I also had trouble with the taste. One easy trick that I found works is to put it into a single ply of a napkin or similar tissue and bunch it up on the sides and twist off the excess tissue. When I was younger we called this 'parachuting'. Set it on the back of your tongue and wash down with a drink. Just be careful to not let it burst on the way down and blow it up out of your nose! That is less than wonderful.
Also, mixing the kratom with chocolate milk or juice of some type works well. Best of luck on your journey!!!
Welcome to ILK @linseed1984 !!! Pleasure to meet you 👋
Good advice about using a scale to maintain a more than approximate dose regimen. Keeps things on point with consistency. I need to order another one , dropped on the floor a while back and went caput!
Hope you enjoy the forum, awesome members and stellar vendors !
This is bit older post, but my suggestion is to take more per dose, 1gm is very low.... helpful for sure , but for transitioning off of pain meds , you may need a higher amount to help see you through . Try 2-3gms . Adjust as needed . Of your worried about negative results from regular use , I say take when needed , keep it at the smallest amount that delivers relief . Also , just remember , after taking any form of opiates, your receptor sites will need to cool down a bit to experience Kratom’s full glory .
Please let us know how your progress and the challenges have been 🙏🍂
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all great advise so far. other than upping your dose and either dissolving, toss and wash or parachuting, i suggest you try more red striains. most that used pain pills of any kind, well we have pain and discomfort to deal with on the daily. some green and a few whites work for me, but red and most gold strains are typically best for pain. try a few from a few different vendors. like insense/ gold leaf has 3 oz for 17 that you can do 3x a year i believe. their fuzzy dragon, red dragon, red malay, red sumatra, any gold, and white hulu are all effective for most. worth looking into.
i found out about kratom cause my husband used it to get off suboxone. his doses were even bigger than most and he dosed about every 4 hours, or when the cravings started again. now hes off all that and even takes kratom breaks like me. there are many other herbals that help with pain. and nighttime pain. insense has akuamma and incarvella that can both be taken with kratom safely for most ( i do it ) and their chinese skullcap and blue lotus are my favorites for PM pain.
good luck let us know how you are doing and if you need any more guidance.
Congratulations on making the change in your life, @jay9.
Everyone here gave you enough information to push ahead to your freedom from pills. I was a pill head (after years of alcoholism, science improved and oxy was much nicer to abuse).
As mentioned above, the last thing you need to be worried about is addiction to kratom when used specifically for opiate symptom withdrawal. While people do grow dependent on kratom, it is used in different ways for health symptom relief.
Abuse of this substance is much harder to do. Dedicated people find ways to abuse it. And there are stronger types of kratom (in many concentrated forms like tinctures and extracts) that you should avoid for the opiate detox process.
Those stronger types are NOT “just the same amount only concentrated and easier to use”. This is where you might be 1) tempted to further abuse this substance and 2) you won’t be able to easily discontinue use upon completion of your goal to discontinue opiate use.
Using leaf for withdrawal is an addiction free process and the relief can be so profound that you may not suffer with withdrawal effects at all.
You’ll probably want to use leaf in larger amounts and more frequently than those of us *using it routinely and trying to avoid tolerance. *Maintenance use is completely different from withdrawal support/relief.
As mentioned above, you won’t even be able to realize the kratom is helping because 1) it is not a drug and doesn’t make a fuss about the symptoms it is relieving and 2) opiate use dulls kratom entirely and discontinuing opiate use is necessary to notice any sign of kratom effectiveness.
There should not be a “high” at all and you should merely be resting comfortably and using kratom fairly often (every couple of hours, not once a day).
Kratom is NOT an addiction relief tool. It IS an extremely effective tool for withdrawal relief as well as for chronic pain or illness symptom relief. Addiction is a whole different beast.
I have been free of the pills and alcohol since 2013/2014 but my actual clean date is 03/31/2017 (the alcohol quitting came before the pill detox). Took me a few years to realize that I needed to ALSO get addiction support! My choice of support has been the AA/NA fellowships and I got a counselor. AND this forum! There are zillions of options for support. Everyone is kicking opiates! It’s all the rage now!
I’m not judgy and don’t give medical advice or tell other people what to do. This is just some more information in why addiction to kratom is a diversion tactic your brain is using to get you to stick with the opiates it is accustomed to. Your brain will not be impressed with kratom. That’s a good sign.
There’s lots more to talk about addiction, but this is a kratom forum and addiction is NOT a common thread here.
Freedom from opiates is the big issue for you (and others) and I hope you’ll use the other areas of this website to read some of the FAQ on kratom to further support your safe use of kratom with true information and knowledge (the internet has censored out the good information and replaced it with negative/misinformation).
This website is NOT censored.
Sorry for making you read so much stuff when you’re in detox, but I’m pretty passionate about the opiate detox process from experience.
Good luck, Congratulations and if you want, try to either stop back by here or find another online support group to help keep you accountable for your progress. Lots of people have checked in here for the first 30 days, for example.
Anonymity is available for all types of addiction support.
Hopefully you have some red vein kratom AND there are oblate discs available online (referring to the post from linseed1984). Parachuting is a helpful tool as well as making honey balls. There are more ways to try kratom leaf. Lots of people put it in a glass of water, set the timer for 10 minutes to get the kratom to naturally soak in the leaf and then CHUG.
Hope you’re having a better day already. Don’t be scared of that kratom you have.
ANXIETY is absolutely horrible and it’s CONSTANT during the withdrawal process, but it is not based on reality. Your brain and body will try to convince you to take an opiate immediately. After a couple of weeks of proper kratom use, my cravings for opiates subsided and it’s not been back. Kratom makes substance abuse less attractive! You’ll see!
Here’s a cool YouTube link with 100 FAQ answers about kratom to watch while you’re resting and waiting to feel better (this website and I do not have responsibility for the content of this link):
Have a wee bit better day!
So much good advice above, I can't add to it.
My name is all over this dang forum, so I hate to add one more thing, but I can’t resist. How are you doing so far? If you bagged the idea, you can start again. In case you went back to the pills, it’s not FOREVER. Hopefully
I was just talking to my Mom about how shame is so powerful that people can get stuck there. I’ve lost loved ones to that nonsense. I have constant self destructive, negative chatter going on in the brain and it hardly ever shuts up. Learning that it is ALL absolutely BS and replacing the thoughts with positive stuff is possible.
You didn’t have the right tools yet, hopefully you took @michelle373’s advice to get some red strains. The scale is helpful, but not necessary when you are this fragile and nervous and filled with anxiety. Use a teaspoon more often like @somethingsacred said. Keeping track of he time and how much you use is not entirely important while making the switch.
There are some posts here from @victorb573 I think it is. He was freaking out with anxiety and the whole team here had to talk him down while he finally got the right kratom and gave it a fair shot. He was JUST HERE visiting and we found his anxiety filled posts from his journey.
I hope you are still going to let us help you get free from opiates. You don’t have to use kratom after you complete the process.
We are here for you when you’re ready.
Have a wee bit better day!