New to kratom Ticked that your vendors say "not for human consumption"
:angry: SO i'm new to kratom but I can find more reputable vendors who market their product as consumable and even give dosing information on the package. At least it wont say...dont give to people or animals.
Is Ilovekratom.com helping the kratom image or just about money? Sorry to sound so harsh but come on. Folks are leery of this substance as is. If you want to represent kratom as legitimate and beneficial substance why not choose vendors that will stand behind their products as "consumable"?
Vendore stating their kratom is not for human consumption is to protect themselves from lawsuites and legal issues. Suppose someone got sick from a batch and filed a lawsuit against a vendor, that cannot happen if the say the product is not for human consumption. There have also been some legal issues with kratom, and listing it for comsumption is a red flag for the DEA. I use kratom for back pain and would hate to see it ever become illegal, because i refuse to take pain medications made in a labratory. I hope this helped! I consider kratom a miracle herb. :-bd
I'm also new and I also asked the same question. I was told that they have to write "not for human consumption" for legal reasons.
mmm - What kind of K have you found to be helpful for your back pain?
For my back pain I found Red Vein Thai to be the most helpful on its own. Its is a fairly relaxing strain with good pain releiving qualities. I also find Bali, Green Sunda, and Tawa Tua Indo to be verry effective. Mixing those strains is my favorite so I get a broad spectrum of alkaloida. Red Vein Maeng Da and Malaysian Maeng Da work good for pain I use those strains when I need to get work done or earlier in the day.
Red vein thai was my choice today for that reason. I have sciatica and I had taken a couple days off and it feels good to not have a screaming leg pain.
Yes, kratom is not legal for human consumption. We are lucky to have places like I love kratom to discuss it. It is a scary time for kratom and legality as there is a lot of bad press around it and that is very unfortunate. I feel it to be unfair that is is targeted the way it has been. It has been compared to some pretty nasty drugs and in my reality it has kept me away from them.
There are plenty of places to find how to dose etc. I personally like to keep my use minimal as I did suffer slight withdrawal in my short break. It was not anything I could not get through and just kept active. I was tired and had a runny nose. Good luck with future kratom use and you can search through here for other answers if you have questions. If you don't find what you are looking for there will be someone to answer questions.
Red vein thai is what I just tried before, Rose, my third try at K, aside from trying a very small dose of the capsules I got through amazon. Last week I took a bit much of what was billed as a high powered concentrated k, 1.6 gm red maeng da from onliinekratom. Bad choice for my first try, so I grew more cautious. Yesterday I tried 1.25 grams of red vein thai that I had bought from Kratom Eye. No effect. Today I tried 2.25 grams of the same.
As for the legality issue, they need to hear more from people like us who are trying to find pain relief. Like some other feller I saw posting on here, I'm a busted up ex athlete.
Vendors are reacting to government incentives/disincentives that will shut them down if they tell you what kratom is good for and how much you might need to take. Blame the government, if you want to blame someone. The government makes rules and if vendors don't follow them their product can be taken away. ILoveKratom is a free information-sharing place set up for our benefit, with a blog area that will provide all the info a consumer will need, plus vendors that have been vetted as being businesslike and trustworthy are featured in another area of this Web site. The last thing vendors want to do is withhold information from their customers. The FDA dictates the rules of the game. For now, anyway -- We are working to improve their understanding and the attitude of state by state that want to ban this amazing herb because they are misinformed about it.
Werewolf- My usual Red Vein Thai doses are usually an upwards of 7+ grams to get a true pain killing effect. Mabey try a bit more next time and if no effects are felt try re dosing with small amounts until desired effects are felt. If all fails mabey try some RVT from a different vendor. Even when i was new to kratom doses under 3.5 grams had no effect on me.
OP, I absolutely understand your frustration. Many venders started this business because they want to help people! They start out with this goal of improving other people's live as it has improved their's even saving some lives, only to find that they cannot inform their customers of the wonderful, life changing benefits. I believe nobody is more frustrated about this than the venders themselves. Kratom is legal right now to sell, it's legal to consume, but it is not legal to sell for consumption. If you sell for consumption you risk, not only losing your business, but you risk prosecution. This doesn't happen a lot right now, but it is a risk, and many venders are having their product detained.
Kratom is a new dietary ingredient, which actually sounds good right? It is not. The FDA has made a law that states that all supplements that are marketed after 1994 are "new dietary ingredients" and as such they are not proven safe by anecdotal evidence through history of use before 1994. (It's an unsavory law that effects not only kratom but many beneficial and safe herbs and supplements) http://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/ucm109764.htm
"In the absence of a history of use or other evidence of safety establishing that kratom will reasonably be expected to be safe as a dietary ingredient, kratom and kratom-containing dietary supplements and bulk dietary ingredients are adulterated under section 402(f)(1)( B ) of the Act [21 U.S.C. 342(f)(1)( B )], because they contain a new dietary ingredient for which there is inadequate information to provide reasonable assurance that such ingredient does not present a significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury." http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/cms_ia/importalert_1137.html
So that is the reason that most venders now rely on organizations such as the American Kratom Association to be their voice. We also rely on third party forums like this one to share good information and experience.
The venders who are selling caps, selling for consumption on their websites or making medical claims are actually hurting the legality of kratom, I suggest you don't support those venders. A responsible vender will do their best to abide the laws, pay their taxes, and fight for the legality of kratom through the proper channels. Hopefully the future will hold more freedom for not just kratom, but other herbs, supplements and other avenues of natural medicine.
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