New Guy Here- Intro & Questions
Hello everybody. New here and new to the Kratom community. Some background info on me, I was heavily addicted to opiates (hydrocodone) and it took my life away. Played basketball my whole life since I very little, very competitive in the sport. One day I injured my back in a basketball game and I was never the same after that. I now have chronic pain and that lead to my excessive use of opiates. Anyways, needless to say, I finally kicked my habit January 8th. Was using subs at first to get off the Hydrocodone and then started hearing a lot about Kratom. I would see the word "kratom" all the time when reading about how to ease opiate withdrawals. Never once decided to look into it until I was out of suboxone.. Well shoot, last dosage of suboxone done went & gone and I knew I'd be in WDs within the next 24 hours. Did some research on Kratom and finally realized what it is/was, so I had to try it.
At that moment, I wasn't in the right condition to be able to get online, have to order kratom (also didn't know strains at the time neither) and wait for it to arrive, so I just went to my local head shop to pick up some of their Kratom that they sell (yes I realize it's frowned upon to use head shops as a kratom source). Got back to my house, took the head shop kratom immediately, started with 5grams and it worked wonders! I felt great! No withdrawal symptoms from stopping suboxone, no cravings, had euphoria, felt painless, was very very close to what hydrocodone made me feel like.
Needless to say, I am now in love with Kratom. I just like the fact that there is something out there that actually can't hurt you in ways like prescription drugs can, but yet still have similar properties to help with pain, anxiety, depression, etc etc.
I do have a few questions though, I have ordered from Botanical Wellness twice now, my second order hasn't arrive just yet, it's on the way. My first order I only ordered one oz of the Red Vein Sumatra. I hear a ton of praise about this strain for pain relief and sedation (which is usually what I'm looking for when I decide to take Kratom). I hear that this strain should be taken at lower dosages than other strains given it's potency. Just gonna back up real quick to give a little bit more info on my kratom use so far. So the head shop kratom worked very well for me, I took 5 grams my very first dose and it worked awesome. The next day I burned 5 grams when I woke up and then 5 grams in the evening and the second dose in the evening made it way too much for me. The only way I can describe it for me was like as if I had taken too much hydrocodone, like one of those situations, "oh it's not hitting me, I'll take more," and then a few minutes later it all hits you and your overwhelmed/scared with how it all hit at once and the potency of the hit. Yeah one of those situations. So after that, I started only dosing 2.5-4.5 grams, with 3-3.5 grams being a good dosage for me. Even though I started my kratom usage at 5 grams for first two days, going down to 3-3.5grams (I'm talking about only Head Shop kratom right now) the smaller dose was actually working well for me.
Now here's where my questions come into play, I ordered that the Red Vein Sumatra from Botanical Wellness and I have noticed that taking 4-5grams of this strain doesn't really even do as much as the 3-3.5grams of the head shop kratom I picked up my first time. Now could my tolerance be rising rather quickly due to my past with opiates? Or is it possible that the RVS is just a bad batch? Or did I screw myself by burning more than 4grams my very first time making my tolerance high right from the get go?
I just don't get how head shop kratom in 3-3.5gram dosages works better than a well known vendors RVS which is arguably the strongest red vein strain?.. And also note, I took more (4.5-5grams) of the RVS and still don't get the same effects as 3-3.5grams of the head shop kratom. Any suggestions as to why this might be happening? Bad batch or is my tolerance already rising? I've only been using Kratom for 5 days now...
Don't get me wrong though, I know the RVS works and I can definitely feel it's effects. Just seems very subtle and weak compared to head shop kratom. However, I do think part of the problem was my hyping this product up before trying it. I had it in my head that this product was going to be the bees knees and was gonna be my answer after all the research I did on it but maybe I just over hyped it's potency? I don't know lol.
What I have on the way right now though is some Superior Green Malay & Red Vein Borneo from Botanical Wellness. I'm hoping those batches will be stronger. I'm also hoping to experiment a little bit with mixing strains and all that fun jazz.
Thanks for reading and any insight/advice is welcomed! Thank you guys!
Strains are going to affect EVERYBODY differently. I would be careful to say "Bad Batch" - but you said somewhere that maybe it was because all the hype you put into it. I would agree partly. And maybe that strain from that vendor just isn't working with the chemistry of your body.
NOT ALL HEADSHOP KRATOM IS HORRIBLE. I have had some good kratom from a headshop. I wouldn't be still using kratom if I didn't have those wonderful results in the first place. But for my my chronic pain issues I use kratom daily. And my wallet isn't filled with money 🙂
What you will find is that headshop kratom "might" have additives annd even if it doesn't, Headshop kratom can be EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE.
And also online kratom has been reviewed and tested by hundred of people and you can see by going online what others are saying about a vendor or a strain.
There is a saying "Less is more" when it comes to kratom. At lower doses you will get a more stimulating feeling and the higher doses will give you a more sedating feeling.
There is a lot to learn. A lot to experiment with. It sounds like you are going in the right direction.
Also remember there is something called "Same strain Syndrome" This can happen after you have been using the same strain for a period of time and your tolerance either goes up and/or you stop feeling the effects like you did when you first started.
This can be prevented and What I do is I have many different strains from many different vendors. I will use the same strain for a couple days and then move onto a different strain/vendor. This has helped me tremendously.
Burning kratom on an empty stomach can help.
Also be aware of Potentiators. These are things that can potentiate your kratom experience. I don't think you need any when you are first starting out - But I mention this because if you have ingested a potentiator without knowing it - then your kratom experience can be a lot stronger as it had that night you took your dose as you say.
Do your research and keep learning and see what works in your favor. We will be here for you the whole way. Respect the plant and your body and be responsible. It's a wonderful plant when treated this way.
I must add that I found kratom the same way you did and because I needed something to stop the horrible cycle of pain pills I was looking for something that would help. What a beautiful plant this is.
Welcome to the forum. We are glad you are here!!
Thank you, Jason, for your reply & the greeting. There is an abundance of wealth in knowledge here. Can't wait to learn all about it! Seems like a great community so far.
So I dosed some of the RVS earlier, and wow. I don't know what happened the first time but this second time is working out quite nicely if I must say so. I can really feel it's effects this dosage. It does take a little longer to start working but when it does, it's quite nice! Haha. I feel very comfortable, warm, most of my pain in my lower back has diminished for the time being, and I just overall feel better about myself. I can't describe it really, I'm not too good with descriptions, but I just have this sense of happiness glowing over me right now.
I can't wait to get in the other two strains I have ordered. Really looking forward to mixing things up to get the best results for my personal application.
Okay here's a topic I need some advice on guys. How do y'all feel about redosing? Mainly I'm interested in the time intervals at which one would redose for best effects.
In my short amount of experience, I seem to find that redosing after the effects of the first dose have worn off is the best way to go about it.
However, with kratom, can one take a larger initial dose, and then take more doses but in lesser amounts over the course of the day with it still having the same effect as the initial first dose or possibly to prolong the initial dose? My main reasoning for this is managing the pain throughout the entire day as best as I can.
Welcome to the forum! :-h This is definitely the place to get your kratom questions answered.
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Welcome to the forum! I'm just kind of new, too! :-h
Hey ThirdEyeLeaf :-h,
Welcome to the forum! Glad to hear you found Kratom, as well as ILK.
You know Botanical Wellness buys from Bikhuk The Source. Excellent Source Of Kratom.
I have tried BW once & I like them very much.
I have never gotten a bad batch from Bikhuk yet after 7 years.
They are just having problems with there Kratom being Seized by Customs at the Moment.
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Hi. I got hooked, we'll I think I did or at least craved hydro. Too but can't find s fit with kratom. Had anyone answered you or have you found what works?
I have head good things about Botanical Wellness and their brand seems to be pretty up to par, I am impressed with them thus far. I will be receiving samples from them within the next few weeks, then I would be able to properly give you some advise on them. However, it may not differ much from the previously given advise on this thread
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