Question for anybody knowledgable.
Does anybody know if kratom would work for somebody who has the shakes every morning do to being an alcoholic for a couple of decades? He has high blood pressure also and his nerves are real bad, I think it's because of the alcohol though. I've been reluctant to mention kratom too him because he has been a harsh critic about cannabis use. Anybody who could give me any advice or knowledge about the subject would be much appreciated.
My guess is kratom could help here but I don't know for sure. Kratom helps calm people. Maybe he could give it a try and see if it works? And if not then he wasted 25 bucks or so.
cybin_spores, I've met people who broke their addiction to alcohol with kratom. Probably the right strains of kratom could help with the shakes. If this person really wants to fix the damage he has done, he should get on a healthy diet, with lots of fresh vegetables and supplements, especially the B vitamins, and "the works".
The nerves can be rebuilt to some degree, as can the liver -- if the alcohol stops and good nutrition begins.
Kratom can really help by getting people to start thinking about how they could improve their health. I've seen this happen for many average people who start using kratom, feeling more pep, and they start thinking about further improvements they had been putting off.
Kratom has a couple of alkaloids that lower blood pressure. So, there is a lot that it can do, if the person consuming it is willing and wanting to improve his quality of life.
Im not sure about the shakes, but mentaly it helped me 100 fold with alcohol. I could drink a bottle a night, now i mabey have a few beers a month if any at all. It changed my mind set which was shocking to me. Plus the fact that it is good for you.
Hello cybin_spores. I'm wondering if the man you are talking about has quit drinking or wants to quit. Yes, the morning shakes are caused by severe alcohol consumption over time. Usually only a drink will stop those shakes. Alcoholics are very malnourished people, even if they eat a lot. I agree with the moderator that "if this person really wants to fix the damage he has done, he should get on a healthy diet, with lots of fresh vegetables and supplements, especially the B vitamins, and "the works"."
I would add---Especially vitamin B-1, also known as Thiamine. He should also avoid white potatoes, bread and anything made with wheat and other grains as these turn to sugar in the system. There is a book called "Curing alcoholism with Vitamins" that might be helpful for someone wanting to be healed of this horrible addiction.
I have no idea if Kratom helps with overcoming alcoholism, but the reason I have started using it is because I read and heard that it helps with opiate addiction, which I suffer from. It was prescribed to me for acute and chronic pain. Now it's been going on for almost 3 years. So I am curious to know if it will help with alcohol addiction as well.
As you may know, piperine (a compound in plain ole black pepper) mixed with herbal supplements increases it's bio-availability and absorption many-fold. With tumeric, by as much as 2,000%!
Now I'm wondering if taking a pinch of pepper with Kratom will increase it's efficacy? I'm going to try that.
I wish you the best of luck with your friend. And if he's willing to try Kratom, may he have as wonderful experience as mmmkrAtom!
Hi there Cybin_spores
I noticed that you put up this post a couple of months ago so I dont know if everything is worked out yet, but I sure hope it is. I work in the chemical dependency field and I know how awful those shakes can be. What also caught my eye in your post is you said he has high blood pressure and I just put out a post naming a couple of alkaloids that contain blood pressure lowering effects.
I really do think Kratom could help this person out if it hasnt already, but if you have anymore question feel free to ask. Take care, and have a great weekend!
NO PAIN,NO ANXIETY,YES KRATOM!
nw49rsfan, I'm an alcoholic, and have problems with relapse. I've been taking kratom since June and I have had no cravings for alcohol since then. I know this is heresy in your field, but kratom is soothing and relieves my cravings.
See thats the thing with me, and ive had this talk with other chemical dependency professionals, they say Kratom shouldnt be used and I say THATS BS AND YES IT SHOULD and when I talk to patients in a patient setting I have to be careful the way I put my words but I still try to get my point accross that (in my opioion) Kratom is safe to use as safe doses.
And im real happy to hear your having such a positive expierence with your Kratom, and I would say keep it up, plus Kratom is actually good for you too.
NO PAIN,NO ANXIETY,YES KRATOM!
This is probably an older thread, but I'm an alcoholic and opiate addict and since I started using kratom I haven't had the desire to even take a drink or use a pill. The kratom has totally turned me off from all drug and alcohol use .. Its been amazing.
I was going to go through withdrawal from both booze and pills and,started using kratom on 11/18 of this year.. I have been through withdrawal before and even tho my drinking lasted a "short" 8 years (in 29) I still got the shakes and the worst was the restless leg syndrome all over my body. The kratom cured all of that. I started with a maeng da and moved to a red vein and my God.. I feel amazing. I can tell a difference in my entire demeanor.. I had 0 withdrawal symptoms.. And even after I go a day or 2 without taking kratom I have no PAW and no desire to use.
Kratom is the best thing that has ever happened to me. It made quitting 8 continuous years of ellicit drug and alcohol use dare I even say.. EASY?!
I got my dream job a week after quitting.. Have an a amazing boyfriend who 100% supports me and loves how the kratom has helped me so much.. A great family relatio ship again... In just 6 weeks!
So .. In short.. Yes it does help.. A lot. Sorry for the rambling 🙂 lol.I just wanted to let people know it helped with not just the pills but the booze too 🙂
Hey there MelVSox,
I'm so glad everything is going so great for you! I hope all that continues into the New Year of 2016!!!
If you ever need anything on here just ask. Take care & real happy your feedback is all good news!!!
NO PAIN,NO ANXIETY,YES KRATOM!
I realize this is a controversial thing to say, but I think many in the chemical dependancy field and in 12 step programs would have a problem accepting the idea that a mood altering substance could be used successfully by people with those issues. That would throw a wrench in their whole philosophy. I can't inagine that, unfortunately. What do you think, Justin?
I'm completely for Kratom use as long as its for medical use and not to go and get messed up on. I think we have finally found an herb than can be bought without a prescription and that can actually help people with pain and other conditions, but also I have seen MANY people, and friends, and also myself get totally off prescription pain killers because of Kratom. So I just research when I can, read what research materials are out there, and just try to spread the word about Kratom because I feel that its a serious crime what are government, (FDA, DEA) ETC.. is doing to all of us that can really use it. I truly believe Kratom could save lives from opiate overdoses! We all just have to keep up the good work, be safe, and keep motivated on the road to keeping Kratom legal.
And not many in the Chemical Dependency field don't feel the same and probably wont and the ones that will might take time to change there minds about Kratom, just like Medical Marijuana, but I'm different and nobody will ever change my mind about Kratom. Because especially being a patient myself of Kratom, and knowing so much of what I do now, I know there is to much greatness in this herb!!!
I hope this answers your question a little more broadly. I also hope you have a great and safe New Years of 2016 if I don't hear back till then.
Take it easy lerellen,
NO PAIN,NO ANXIETY,YES KRATOM!
lerellen: I hope you don't mind me throwing my thoughts in on this topic, but it's one I've thought a lot about. I think there's a great benefit in getting into a more elevated state of mind when you're trying to make any major change in your habits and the way you see yourself. In my experience, repeating affirmations, especially negative ones like people in 12-step groups are expected to do, just doesn't get a person beyond where they're stuck. It may work for some, but I didn't find it productive when I was sent to a 12-step DUII diversion program run by some psychologists. Intoducing yourself to the group as "Hi, I'm So-and-So and I'm an alcoholic," just reinforces where you're stuck.
I see kratom as a uniquely helpful tool because it gets one to a higher plane of consciousness without the wild perceptual changes that psychedelics create. It's still a familiar reality, but -- because you are more comfortable in yourself -- you can assess your problems with more detachment and see where positive changes can be made.
After all, the founder of AA, Bill W., was introduced to LSD after he had created AA and wished to incorporate its use into some of their programs. He saw the value and the opportunity for individuals to make major changes in dysfunctional thought patterns that were causing them distress, which led to alcohol because when sober, they just could see any solution. With kratom, it is possible to have these same insights and easily remember them and bring them back to put into use.
That being said, there is still a need to remain in control over our use of kratom, not letting it replace alcohol or whatever unhealthy habit we're trying to overcome. Some people don't need such tools as this one, but I believe many of us can benefit -- within or without a 12-step framework.
A lot of what causes that irresistible attraction to alcohol or drugs is nutritional deficiencies -- and this is not even figured into these "cerebral, talk-it-all-out" 12-step affairs. Without satisfying these deficiencies, relapse is only a matter of time, though kratom may help take some of the edge off the craving. I don't think that is a bad thing, especially if it saves lives that are frequently lost on the first relapse.
I think that Kratom is VERY misunderstood in the recovery community.
When I first attempted to get sober (had 18 months at one point), I was living in a sober living house- an Oxford house if any of you are familiar with those. Anyways, one of the guys in the men's house got kicked out for using kratom. No one knew what it was, and a quick google search basically made everyone think that he was getting high off of it.
Now that I know more about kratom, did a lot of research before starting it to help me come out of withdrawals, I understand why he was using (and still does). It is such an amazing addition to my life in general. I mean, hell, i have abused Tylenol PM worse than Ive ever come CLOSE to "abusing" kratom. It curves all cravings I would normally have for pills and booze... it gives me an over all sense of well-being, I have a more positive out look in life, my ups and downs of my bipolar II disorder have leveled out SIGNIFICANTLY.. hell.. even my HAIR is growing faster and my complexion is friggin beautiful.
I wish that we knew more about Kratom... I dont tell anyone in my 12 step program about it.. because I dont feel as though it's their business. I love AA, but some old timers are just... set in their ways. That's ok. If it keeps me from overdosing on vicodin, seizing uncontrollably on tramadol, or dying of alcohol poisoning-- im taking it! I have my life back.. Im off the pills and booze... and im so friggin happy. Plus I sleep SO much better!
Thank you Justin, for your thoughtful response and for all the help you give on this forum.
Thank you too, Paul (I missed yourcomment!).
See that's what is great about this group we all get to talk about this herb that does such great things for so many people, and for so many different reasons.
I thought that was well said Paul, but seems like every thing you write is very thought out and very educated.
And thanks to you to Laura.
And also I thought what you wrote (MelVSox) was well said as well! All great feedback! Thanks guys! This is truly all part of the process of moving forward and in trying to do things the right way. Maybe the DEA & FDA etc... should be reading our communities to see what type of people we are, why we all use this herb, why we use it, and just stop making it out to be some kind of street drug that its not!
Take it easy everyone!
NO PAIN,NO ANXIETY,YES KRATOM!
Hi, MelVSox: Would you mind if I use what you wrote here in an article I'm writing about how kratom is solving this mysterious Opioid Epidemic that drug rehab centers -- for all the money they charge -- just can't seem to stop?
Yours is a story I hear often in these kratom groups on Facebook, but I don't see these wonderful successes celebrated in the mainstream media. That's a shame.
Ironically, one of the big opponents of kratom legality is the drug rehab industry. They are trying to protect the big profits they earn, especially when the rehab fails pppatients and they must come back over and over. It gets expensive for the insurance industry and the public sector.
I want to show state and local governments how much money people like you are saving them!
Would you mind? I won't use your name or anything to identify you. And, if you don't want me to use what you've said, I won't.
I may not get around to finishing this article until next week, but the sooner I hear from you, the better. I don't want you to forget.
You just said it all very well. We're going to try to get this article published in Huffington Post, or something similar, if HuffPo won't go for it.
Anyway, great comment! Congratulations on making a smart decision.
Hi Paul, The Blaze might be a good outlet as well, the people who run it are totally for personal liberty and idividual rights of the people, just a suggestion
I'm totally fine with you using anything I've wrote and anything I will write in the future for your article 🙂 I think that's amazing that toure writing it... I'm excited to see how it turns out.
I actually chose kratom over going back to treatment. I had been once in 2013.. And stayed 19 days.. And feel I got all I could put of it the first time. Its great for people starting out in sobriety. Gives them a good base for a 12 step Program .. Meditation and what have you.. But I didn't feel like i needed to go back.
I continue a 12 step program and my sponsor knows about my kratom use.. I find AA to be beneficial for me in a lot of ways.. But I also find that I have other issues that AA doesn't help.. Such as bipolar 2 disorder.. That kratom DOES help. MUCH better than some medications I've been put on- such as Wellbutrin for depression. Wellbutrian sent me into manic episodes where I would have fantasies of my boyfriend's dog being hit by a car just bc I was getting sick of his shedding. Really fucked up stuff that is not like,it at all. I would scream and Bitch about everything .. And I KNEW it was the meds. I tapered off the Wellbutrin and started the kratom and my life is...wow! I'm so happy about things.. I see a positive in life.. I get excited and happy at the thought of cleaning and organizing things .. My relationship with my boyfriend is way better.. I'm no longer mean.. I no longer think that my life is going no where.. No longer have an impending sense of doom.. Life doesn't seem so "hard" anymore. I find pleasure in the little things again.. The way I used to when I was a child. I don't dread waking up in the morning .. I sleep well at night.. My hair has grown over an inch in the last 6 weeks which is 3x as fast as it normally does. I don't have mood swings the way I used to.I've leveled out significantly .. Not one manic episode since I started the kratom.
The best part is.. I haven't taken a single pill. Not one oxy. Not one tramadol. Not one adderall. Not one vicodin. I haven't even had the desire to do so. I am no longer searching for a filler in my life. I'm not trying to escape anything .. I'm no longer trying to find a replacement for natural happiness. Kratom allows me to experience joy and positivity and productivity in a way nothing ever has before. No illegal OR LEGAL drug. I got a job I've been wanting for 3 years of my life and I'm not scared of loosing it because of my drug use. I'm looking forward to the future and all the money I'm going to save and the ability to move up in this amazing company with the peace of mind and security of knowing I'm not gonna screw it up with my drug use!!!
Sorry I know I went off rambling again but I'm just so happy to have my life back. This is the happiest I've been since I was like..6. I wish so badly more addicts and alcoholics would find this amazing plant!