GaiaEthnoBotanicals vs your top vendors
Hellow ILK community :-h I am wondering:
Has anyone had any vendors that are on par with Gaia's Potency (L) , customer service and price?
Asking for experienced (L) Kratom (L) users who have at least used Kratom for 2 years, I've used Gaia now for over 10 years and ordered sample packs from many vendors including:
Kratora
Krabot
Canopy
KingdomKratom
and an unkown vendor i cant remember the name of from over 10 years ago it started with Gaia and thats actually how i found gaia ethnobotanicals my current main vendor so far
and others, the problem with all the other vendors in my experience is their potency of their Red Vein Bali and Red Vein MD are not as good or on par with Gaia's but cost 3 times as much.
My main vendor: Gaia
I currently get 250g from GaiaEthnobotanicals for $25 plus 5 shipping and he always send a sample pack of a recommended or needed strain. For example my last order was 250g of his Red Vein Bali and got a free sample bag of Super Green Malay, free of charge.
But recently i have been having potency issues from Gaia i think! it could be my tolerence but havinf my tolerance double in just 2 weeks is kind of absurd.
I used to take over 50g once upon a time ago, i recently reduced my dose to 5g 4 times per day, and then had to take 11g or more from gaia. I believe but am not sure, that their quality might have fallen.
I'm not making this thread to start any fanboy wars, this is purely out of curiosity, and i'd like to note that I fully believe that Strains from each vendor differ in potency, for example: Gaia may have great Red Vein Bali and MD! and that's my favorite so far, but other vendors might have better Green's, Yellows, Whites, Plantations, Blends and Extracts. It is also important to note that everyone is different and Kratoms very different alkaloid profiles differing between strains, surly act differently on each individual user.
I wanted to get the communities first hand experience of top favorite vendors based on 3 categories:
Potency
Quality
Customer Service
With that said: everyone who has used Kratom for a considerable amount of time knows that with each vendor there is a time adjustment period. Many vendors change source locations and even experiment with Preparation methods as well as Alkaloid Profiles via Extraction methods, Preparation methods and drying methods and even when storing product and packaging procedures.
It is just as important to know where the product comes from as quality control standards and how fast it gets to your door as well as packaging methods to ensure freshness and alkaloid profiles stay intact for a while.
So i would prefer hearing from some Kratom users that have used several vendors for some time and are familiar with Gaia's Product and many other vendors and can give accurate accounts of the differences between potency, quality packaging, and customer service compared with Price tag per 1g, 1oz, 250g, 500g and 1kilo.
I am interested what others have to say about other vendors compared to Gaia's product and would very much like to try some new vendors worth my while. (c) (L) :-bd =D>
Understandably some of the vendors i explained may be better than gaia to others but everyone reacts to kratom differently and different drying methods.
because of my recent problems with gaia i would like to try some other vendors that are cheap preferabbly more potent than gaia and within the price range of $15-$30 for 250 grams. and lower if possible and for a kilo id like it to be at max $90 USD.
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I am certainly going to follow up on this with you, but my phones about to die. The short answer, for my body chemistry/money I have had FAR superior, and cheaper, than GAIA. GAIA also has a copacker who Ive tried their red capsules through and the quality isnt up to snuff imo. Phones about to die so Ill be back with names and answers shortly.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day, put the pieces back together my way.
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"I am certainly going to follow up on this with you, but my phones about to die. The short answer, for my body chemistry/money I have had FAR superior, and cheaper, than GAIA. GAIA also has a copacker who Ive tried their red capsules through and the quality isnt up to snuff imo. Phones about to die so Ill be back with names and answers shortly."
you have my attention, i am very interested to hear your sources and evidence. I find it hard to believe Gaia isn't up to snuff or is poor quality Potency wise. But i'm here to be proven wrong, and find a few new vendors to enhance my kratom selection and experience.
I would much like to try some good vendors with vast selection of Extracts, Vial Solutions, Resins and pure Mitragynine(MTG/MG)/7-Hydroxymitragynine(7-OHM) either in powder, Crystal and or hydrochloride (HCL).
It should be pertinent to note that i believe Gaia's Red Vein Bali Powder to be close to the best out their compared to other vendors Red Vein Bali that i have tried.
Allthough the Powder strains are very good, i don't think the 50x Extract and 20x extract is the best and will not make that claim.
i think he mixes some normal kratom strain in with a tinture to make his 50x UEMD so it's like 1500mg 7OHM per 25g of Red Vein Maeng Da KRatom powder.
other rave about its potency, i dont!
i prefer the premium Red Vein Bali 250g - 1000g/1 key.
DG botanicals is very good but he isn't accepting new customers.
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"Kratom is a safe and does not cause respitory depression. Kratom is a mildly addicting substance, comparable to Caffeine, it is my belief that Kratom does NOT fit within the CSA scheduled list I-V."
- DR. Henningfeild (kratom expert) Organic Chemist and scientist.
So I have seen you have seen some of my other posts so that will make this easier. First, I would say the best well rounded product, and most consistant is the one I mentioned in "Upstate NY vendor", I would be happy to give you his personal # via PM if interested. (I had also previously mentioned trading so maybe we could swap his red for the Gaia red you get and compare notes?) His white and reds I swear by. Of the now 50? Or so vendors I have tried his is the most consistant and well rounded. He doesnt go by fancy names. He leases a farm in Indonesia and he does KG for 125.00. (I should mention he threw in 1/2 kg for free so really it was 1.5 kg for 125) Everyone who has tried it locally is always asking me for more red. In fact Im down to about 1 lb of red while I still have 2 lbs of white left because I am the only one who likes whites because of the energizing effect it gives me to alllow me a pain free work day, and allows me to be an active father with no pain. But his red is very well balanced. More so than names he uses batch numbers, and lets us know how he dried it/cured it/sifted it etc. so we refer to batch numbers.
You mentioned wanted to try fusions, and I just tried onlinekratom.com. While their vishnu seemed like a similar white feeling I get from my local vendor it isnt worth the difference in price, but worth it for 5.99 for 15 grams if you need a resealable bag on the go, or capsules if thats your thing. However their kali red indo is a whole other level of red. I have read it many places that it is not for beginners or daytime. It is the epitome of what a red should be. I wouldnt be paying 185 or whatever it is for 200 grams, but I will certainly buy more small packs for occassional use.
Those are two I would reccomend you start with for comparisons and Id be happy to send you some of the red or white from my local vendor.
Now onto Gaia... They have a packer for capsules that goes by the name "Raw Form Organics", they dont readily advertise it, but thats how they get their product into headshops. While I feel this isnt their typical quality from their website, it does seem to be an underhanded manuever. To find out who they were I had to dig deep! Then once I found it thanks to back peddaling through DBAs, etc filed for tax purposes I found out that their kratom is what is used. They sell a big bottle of 120 caps for around 40.00? So I called Gaia and the reluctantly admitted to it. All their strains seemed to make me a bit on the anxious/jittery side. (granted I didnt try "red bali" despite that usually being my go to when trying new companies) I had their red maeng da, their white, and even some purple variant? I had also tried powders from their site (again sorry to say no red bali) but they all seemed to give me that same effect save for the purple bottle. That just seemed like a mild white.
Again this is probably just my body chemistry, health, and reasons I use it. like I said we all know we react different to different alkaloid levels, phenotypes etc. Im glad Gaia works for you and many others. Their customer service is excellent, great website, and seems to help many many people! (As far as red bali capsules I find better than Gaia/Raw Form Organics kratomkaps.com, and Choice Botanicals "red bali" were far more my speed compared to the red maeng da) I do feel bad comparing since I never had the red bali, but Im sure you can imagine after around 150.00 of attempts through Gaia and Raw Form Organics I couldnt see spending another dollar. I still have all those bottles and packs anywhere from near full to half full. I give it to friends when they need capsules to bring to work. They all agree its a bit jittery but if they keep moving its easy to ignore. Ive certainly had FAR worse.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day, put the pieces back together my way.
Side note, I am very impressed with your knowledge of kratom, and more so than just throwing out names. Through all of your posts thus far you seem like you will be a great asset on these forums. I look forward to many more conversations with you.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day, put the pieces back together my way.
Side note, I am very impressed with your knowledge of kratom, and more so than just throwing out names. Through all of your posts thus far you seem like you will be a great asset on these forums. I look forward to many more conversations with you.
Thank you, while i may not be an expert by any means on Kratom interactions with the body, i am a former pharmaceutical engineer with a background in organic chemistry.
#IAmKratom #KeepKratomLegal
"Kratom is a safe and does not cause respitory depression. Kratom is a mildly addicting substance, comparable to Caffeine, it is my belief that Kratom does NOT fit within the CSA scheduled list I-V."
- DR. Henningfeild (kratom expert) Organic Chemist and scientist.
So I have seen you have seen some of my other posts so that will make this easier. First, I would say the best well rounded product, and most consistant is the one I mentioned in "Upstate NY vendor", I would be happy to give you his personal # via PM if interested. (I had also previously mentioned trading so maybe we could swap his red for the Gaia red you get and compare notes?) His white and reds I swear by. Of the now 50? Or so vendors I have tried his is the most consistant and well rounded. He doesnt go by fancy names. He leases a farm in Indonesia and he does KG for 125.00. (I should mention he threw in 1/2 kg for free so really it was 1.5 kg for 125) Everyone who has tried it locally is always asking me for more red. In fact Im down to about 1 lb of red while I still have 2 lbs of white left because I am the only one who likes whites because of the energizing effect it gives me to alllow me a pain free work day, and allows me to be an active father with no pain. But his red is very well balanced. More so than names he uses batch numbers, and lets us know how he dried it/cured it/sifted it etc. so we refer to batch numbers.
You mentioned wanted to try fusions, and I just tried onlinekratom.com. While their vishnu seemed like a similar white feeling I get from my local vendor it isnt worth the difference in price, but worth it for 5.99 for 15 grams if you need a resealable bag on the go, or capsules if thats your thing. However their kali red indo is a whole other level of red. I have read it many places that it is not for beginners or daytime. It is the epitome of what a red should be. I wouldnt be paying 185 or whatever it is for 200 grams, but I will certainly buy more small packs for occassional use.
Those are two I would reccomend you start with for comparisons and Id be happy to send you some of the red or white from my local vendor.
Now onto Gaia... They have a packer for capsules that goes by the name "Raw Form Organics", they dont readily advertise it, but thats how they get their product into headshops. While I feel this isnt their typical quality from their website, it does seem to be an underhanded manuever. To find out who they were I had to dig deep! Then once I found it thanks to back peddaling through DBAs, etc filed for tax purposes I found out that their kratom is what is used. They sell a big bottle of 120 caps for around 40.00? So I called Gaia and the reluctantly admitted to it. All their strains seemed to make me a bit on the anxious/jittery side. (granted I didnt try "red bali" despite that usually being my go to when trying new companies) I had their red maeng da, their white, and even some purple variant? I had also tried powders from their site (again sorry to say no red bali) but they all seemed to give me that same effect save for the purple bottle. That just seemed like a mild white.
Again this is probably just my body chemistry, health, and reasons I use it. like I said we all know we react different to different alkaloid levels, phenotypes etc. Im glad Gaia works for you and many others. Their customer service is excellent, great website, and seems to help many many people! (As far as red bali capsules I find better than Gaia/Raw Form Organics kratomkaps.com, and Choice Botanicals "red bali" were far more my speed compared to the red maeng da) I do feel bad comparing since I never had the red bali, but Im sure you can imagine after around 150.00 of attempts through Gaia and Raw Form Organics I couldnt see spending another dollar. I still have all those bottles and packs anywhere from near full to half full. I give it to friends when they need capsules to bring to work. They all agree its a bit jittery but if they keep moving its easy to ignore. Ive certainly had FAR worse.
Gaia's Capsules:
as to Gaia's capsules, yeah i wouldn't get that either. They have great powder stock like Red Vein MD, Red Vein Bali/Borneo and Red vein Dragon as well as horn, basically i can vouch for gaias RED's but as for the Capsules i never much liked them from Gaia. He started as a one man crew, his operation is not that large, Dave is a great guy with a heart of gold. Met him a long time ago in the EDot forums.
His powder is stored in a hyperbolic pressured vault which holds purity and freshness.
(L) (L) Secret Revealed: (L) (L)
And his 50x extract Black Diamond is Maeng Da, Red Bali, Red Dragon, Red Horn, Plantation WMD, and Gold mixture that he from what he told me a long time ago is then extracted without vinegar for a full spectrum extract, then uses a Cold extract method involving high pressure to Isolate 7-HydroxyMitragynine. Obviously it's not going to be 50:1 gram by any means but serves as a good mixture for your normal Kratom powder id say mix 3/4 of your normal dose with a small pinch of 50x BD extract in and see what it does for you.
and we all know 7-OHMG is far too expensive to isolate pure crystals from KRatom leaf since it is somewhere between 0.2-0.03%% in 1g of Kratom of any strain. obviously this varies between strains with different alkaloid profiles. Just thought id tell you how the BD is made. you me and dave are the only ones who know besides his staff.
(c) Why i don't buy capsules: (c)
But i agree that does not sound like the standards i want for capsules from Gaia. My problem is i don't want to pay for the capsules being pre made for me. I'd rather buy the Powder and Capsules separate and fill them myself at little to no extra cost. maybe 00 caps hold around 550mg so about half a gram per capsule.
(L) A Problem i ran across with your vendors (L) 🙁
Yeah i checked out those vendors OPMS, Gold Label, Choice Botanicals but i didnt check KratomKaps.com
OPMS didnt seem to have a shop on their official site and Gold Label or LI botanicals didnt have that much of a selection, one of them only had capsule 5 packs or something. no powders or descriptions of the Strains, Location information of the type of kratom or anything?
Did i get the wrong vendors, maybe you can spoon feed me and give me some links. I would very much like the vendor site to the upstate NY vendor as well.
Thank you @dayturnsnight - Chemist4Hire
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"Kratom is a safe and does not cause respitory depression. Kratom is a mildly addicting substance, comparable to Caffeine, it is my belief that Kratom does NOT fit within the CSA scheduled list I-V."
- DR. Henningfeild (kratom expert) Organic Chemist and scientist.
I usually dont mess around with any extracts, but did want to try a fusion with a mild extract, just to start. Ive never had to up my dose, so I dont want to take too high an extract and screw with that. I like that I dont need 10-15g at a time like some do. I also have good days where I dont need kratom at all and I have 0 negative effects when such low doses are out of my body for even weeks at a time. It does sound like Dave pays serious detail to his products though, and quality, and his site is very informative. I used his site for learning purposes well before my first kratom dose. Thats why I was upset the pills and powders were equally disappointing but I think Ill grab an oz of the red bali and give that a shot.
I will PM you all of the gentleman, Rays information here in NY. He is redoing his site, to get all of his businesses under one name and his kratom product to the forefront. Like I said he owns hookah and oxygen bars, that have also became kratom cafes.
Also if you don't mind buying overseas I know some great farmers/ vendors who accept secured methods of payment. not that risky western union mess. you won't be donating to any princes 🙂
My favorite overseas vendor is a bit more expensive than most (70 a kg) less if you buy in bulk, but the product is always fresh, and he accepts secured forms of payments through his DBA as many do here and abroad. He also always sends samples of kava, canna, coffee, turmeric, honey (raw and in liquid form), and many other things his family grows. A lot of solid cash crops. My wife loves his coffee. And ive tried everything but the kava and canna. Ive heard Kava can be rough on the liver, idk if thats propoganda or not, but at this point I have a good regimen thats working for me so why mess with it?
I like that we are getting more people with medical, and scientific backgrounds on here. I was a paid and volunteer paramedic for many years, so I have a good understanding of the medical profession. Also have a background in genetic science, which Im sure you know works heavily in the horticulture field, among various others. Im actually going back to school to work closer to a field of study to look for a cure for my disease as my 1 son is already showing markers for it, and I dont want him to deal with this one day.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day, put the pieces back together my way.
So I have seen you have seen some of my other posts so that will make this easier. First, I would say the best well rounded product, and most consistant is the one I mentioned in "Upstate NY vendor", I would be happy to give you his personal # via PM if interested. (I had also previously mentioned trading so maybe we could swap his red for the Gaia red you get and compare notes?) His white and reds I swear by. Of the now 50? Or so vendors I have tried his is the most consistant and well rounded. He doesnt go by fancy names. He leases a farm in Indonesia and he does KG for 125.00. (I should mention he threw in 1/2 kg for free so really it was 1.5 kg for 125) Everyone who has tried it locally is always asking me for more red. In fact Im down to about 1 lb of red while I still have 2 lbs of white left because I am the only one who likes whites because of the energizing effect it gives me to alllow me a pain free work day, and allows me to be an active father with no pain. But his red is very well balanced. More so than names he uses batch numbers, and lets us know how he dried it/cured it/sifted it etc. so we refer to batch numbers.
You mentioned wanted to try fusions, and I just tried onlinekratom.com. While their vishnu seemed like a similar white feeling I get from my local vendor it isnt worth the difference in price, but worth it for 5.99 for 15 grams if you need a resealable bag on the go, or capsules if thats your thing. However their kali red indo is a whole other level of red. I have read it many places that it is not for beginners or daytime. It is the epitome of what a red should be. I wouldnt be paying 185 or whatever it is for 200 grams, but I will certainly buy more small packs for occassional use.
Those are two I would reccomend you start with for comparisons and Id be happy to send you some of the red or white from my local vendor.
Now onto Gaia... They have a packer for capsules that goes by the name "Raw Form Organics", they dont readily advertise it, but thats how they get their product into headshops. While I feel this isnt their typical quality from their website, it does seem to be an underhanded manuever. To find out who they were I had to dig deep! Then once I found it thanks to back peddaling through DBAs, etc filed for tax purposes I found out that their kratom is what is used. They sell a big bottle of 120 caps for around 40.00? So I called Gaia and the reluctantly admitted to it. All their strains seemed to make me a bit on the anxious/jittery side. (granted I didnt try "red bali" despite that usually being my go to when trying new companies) I had their red maeng da, their white, and even some purple variant? I had also tried powders from their site (again sorry to say no red bali) but they all seemed to give me that same effect save for the purple bottle. That just seemed like a mild white.
Again this is probably just my body chemistry, health, and reasons I use it. like I said we all know we react different to different alkaloid levels, phenotypes etc. Im glad Gaia works for you and many others. Their customer service is excellent, great website, and seems to help many many people! (As far as red bali capsules I find better than Gaia/Raw Form Organics kratomkaps.com, and Choice Botanicals "red bali" were far more my speed compared to the red maeng da) I do feel bad comparing since I never had the red bali, but Im sure you can imagine after around 150.00 of attempts through Gaia and Raw Form Organics I couldnt see spending another dollar. I still have all those bottles and packs anywhere from near full to half full.
(c) Why i don't buy capsules: (c)
But i agree that does not sound like the standards i want for capsules from Gaia. My problem is i don't want to pay for the capsules being pre made for me. I'd rather buy the Powder and Capsules separate and fill them myself at little to no extra cost. maybe 00 caps hold around 550mg so about half a gram per capsule.(L) A Problem i ran across with your vendors (L) 🙁
Yeah i checked out those vendors OPMS, Gold Label, Choice Botanicals but i didnt check KratomKaps.com
OPMS didnt seem to have a shop on their official site and Gold Label or LI botanicals didnt have that much of a selection, one of them only had capsule 5 packs or something. no powders or descriptions of the Strains, Location information of the type of kratom or anything?
Did i get the wrong vendors, maybe you can spoon feed me and give me some links. I would very much like the vendor site to the upstate NY vendor as well.Thank you @dayturnsnight - Chemist4Hire
The vendors you mentioned were who ai was referring to and they were all garbage except for kratomkaps, and choice botanicals. They are both expensive though, and choice is wildly inconsistent in their weights. They claim 1g per capsule and they are only "00" and weigh out between 400-650mg. Thats reason enough to avoid them unless you are in a pinch. kratomkaps are a top seller locally for those who use capsules. They cant keep them in stock around here, and even having KGs and many solid brands at home, Ill still spend the 9.00 on 15 grams oc caps when I see them. They are perfect for when I am on the go.
I have a ton of vegetable caps "00" and "000" however kratom is so damn messy, when I feel caps I feel like Im getting a 15% loss to spillage. Thats not acceptable to me. Kratom powder is a wasteful plant in a way due to how concentrated it is. There is waste no matter how you consume it aside from toss and wash, and I can do that. My liver disease can make me suseptable to patekai in my throat so kratom can irritate that immensely. How do you prepare your caps?
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day, put the pieces back together my way.
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I have a ton of vegetable caps "00" and "000" however kratom is so damn messy, when I feel caps I feel like Im getting a 15% loss to spillage. Thats not acceptable to me. Kratom powder is a wasteful plant in a way due to how concentrated it is. There is waste no matter how you consume it aside from toss and wash, and I can do that. My liver disease can make me suseptable to patekai in my throat so kratom can irritate that immensely. How do you prepare your caps?
I have a setup of plastic containers that i prepare it over, i use the loader a machine that filles them and self caps when at my brothers, and when im home or on the go, i do it inside the bag and just drop em in a plastic container or ziplock i hold within the bag, that way i get zero loss.
inside of the huge clear tupperware container i use i have a scale that reads 600g-0.1g so i can acurately weigh down to one tenth of a gram and up to an obscene amount easily the entire bag of 250g. i buy them in bags of 1/4 kilo but get several. it's easier for me, and i feel i waist less on a specific strain. i like to rotate to keep tolerance down. but generally prefer Reds, it's funny i have used Kratom for over 10 years and still havent used Whit or yellow, but have used, Greens, Reds, Blends like Purple, and many types of REDS, Bali/borneo, Dragon, Thai, Maeng Da, Plantation Red Indo, Indo, Super Indo, Ultra Enhanced Red Indo, and alot of greens as well for Stimulation on top of that Red Sedation, i just mix it in a 4:1 R:G.
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"Kratom is a safe and does not cause respitory depression. Kratom is a mildly addicting substance, comparable to Caffeine, it is my belief that Kratom does NOT fit within the CSA scheduled list I-V."
- DR. Henningfeild (kratom expert) Organic Chemist and scientist.
Ive only tried packing them myself, guess a machine may make a difference even though the powder sticks to everything!
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day, put the pieces back together my way.
Hello could you please pm me the info on your vendor? Thank you
Welcome thebellanextdoor! What sort of kratom shopping are you seeking help with?
Have a wee bit better day!
Welcome thebellanextdoor to the best Kratom forum ever!
Have a wee bit better day!
I just got another shipment of kratom powder from Gaia Ethnobotanicals.
Strains:
250g Red Vein Bali
Gaia welcome sampler: 5 strain sampler 1oz each.
1oz Purple 8:1 (blend)
1oz sampler Yellow Veitnam
1oz Super Green Malay
1oz Red Vein Dragon
1oz Gold Bali (blend)
I will let you know how much i like each strain after i have enough time to administer each 3 times.
#IAmKratom #KeepKratomLegal
"Kratom is a safe and does not cause respitory depression. Kratom is a mildly addicting substance, comparable to Caffeine, it is my belief that Kratom does NOT fit within the CSA scheduled list I-V."
- DR. Henningfeild (kratom expert) Organic Chemist and scientist.
Re-leaf, I hope I can make your list soon. I keep seeing so many reviews, youtube videos etc Im hoping I didnt do something wrong.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day, put the pieces back together my way.
You better email them. Joe may not see this under “Gaia”.
Have a wee bit better day!
Ive been in touch, just probably a very hectic time of year for them on top of this kratom war we face.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day, put the pieces back together my way.
Looks like we both posted at the same time. This is jpmjr1020@gmail.com and I did text you my ID from 518 224 4349, just havent heard a status update. Not a huge deal, I have good kratom on hand, but Ive just heard so much about yours, and look forward to you helping me with a kratom profile.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day, put the pieces back together my way.
Just wanted to update everyone, Joe and I have been in contact. So hopefully I can get on there soon, and I knew this time of year Id likely wait a bit I meant no negativity (just really wanted to try his kratom)
And Joe hopefully you got my license, no hurry as you go through your process I have plenty of quality kratom on hand, just want to mix it up. As you have said in your interviews mixing it up helps keeping kratom feeling "new" to your body. I just got a little too much of the same types and have made my own blend so its getting weaker. I just dont want to up my dose to get the same relief. Switched to a tea the last few days since the heat and lemon mix seem to go a longer way when you are used to mixing juices.
All I ever wanted was to pick apart the day, put the pieces back together my way.
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